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Ivory Keytop Cracks (Richard Wagner)

----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Wagner <Rjwag@pacifier.com>
To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
Cc: <mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: Ivory Keytop Cracks

Hi Terry,

If I were you, rather than removing ivory from the existing crack thus
making it larger, in order only to re-fill it, I think I would leave the
crack itself alone, and try building up a layer of "AcryliKey II"
underneath the lip of the keytop just to provide stability and (hopefully)
to prevent the crack from spreading in the future.

I've drawn a little picture to try and illustrate what I mean, and am
attaching it with this Reply... Hope nobody on the List minds the extra
baggage ;-)

Even if this method doesn't prevent further cracking in the future, it
won't prevent you from going ahead and filing out the crack as you
mentioned (below) and proceeding as you normally would with a regular chip
some time down the road if nessesary.

Good Luck.

Richard Wagner RPT

http://www.wagner-technical.com
 

At 09:27 PM 3/6/01 -0500, you wrote:
>Several of the keytops have one
>small crack near the front edge of the keytop.
> So would it be advisable to file out the crack
>to make it some nominal width (say 1/8" or 1/4" wide) and proceed to repair
>it with an ivory repair product such as AcryliKey II? My goal is to simply
>provide a defect-free
>ivory keyboard that has good potential to last some number of years without
>noticeable additional deterioration.
>
>Terry Farrell

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AMICA url

Url for AMICA or Automatic Music Instrument Collector of America, or something like that.

     http://www.amica.org/ephemera.htm

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Plate Suspension (Ron Nossaman)

----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Nossaman <RNossaman@KSCABLE.com>
To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 10:07 PM
Subject: Re: Up with Downbearing!

>It appears that the several of the plate suspension bolts
>(square heads) are bottomed out (bolt head is flush against the
>soundboard. I am guessing that I have two choices:
>1: slightly countersink the suspension bolt heads into the soundboard
>2: grind some metal off of the bolt heads.
>
>Larry Toto

Hi Larry,
You can countersink the soundboard or grind the bolts. Either would work
fine. You could also replace the bolts with large flat head wood screws so
you could "V" countersink under them and not chew up as much soundboard
material if that's a concern. You could also replace the screws with dowels
and not have to countersink at all, but you lose the easy adjustability as
a trade off. Or you could dispense with the support bolts altogether and
replace the hold down lags or screws with either Jim Coleman Jr's
adjustable plate bolt system, or make your own with large socket head
screws, lock nut and acorn nut. With either of these you can adjust plate
height from above with the plate in. There are lots of workable options.

I presume you have measured crown in all areas of the board that you can
reach and verified that the low bearing readings aren't the result of a
collapsed soundboard, in which case just adding bearing won't do you much
good anyway. If you had positive crown everywhere you could measure before
teardown, you're probably all right, but I'd recommend not adding a whole
lot of bearing in any case on an old board. Add a little to the top end,
keep it light overall, and even it out a bit. With the light bearing you
indicated in the top half, if there was no crown, or negative crown
anywhere on the board you could reach underneath with a string (not just
along the longest rib), the soundboard is probably dead.

Good luck, and let us know how it worked out.

Ron N

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440 - 442 (Jim Coleman)

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Coleman, Sr. <pianotoo@imap2.asu.edu>
To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 11:13 PM
Subject: Other aural pitches

Someone wrote recently that to go from A440 to A441, one must tune 4
beats/sec. sharp to the fork. This was confusing cents with beats.

At A440, there are four cents per beat change, so, from 440 to 441,
one needs to increase the pitch by only 1 bps from the fork.

Likewise to go from 440 to 442, one needs to tune sharp to the fork by 2
beats/sec (bps). ETD users must add 8 cents for A442.

While I'm at it, I might as well mention that at 880 Hz, there are
only 2 cents per beat variation. And at 1760 there is only 1 cent per
beat variation.

Jim Coleman, Sr.

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Why 12 Notes (Margo Schulter)

----- Original Message -----
From: <A440A@AOL.COM>
To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 7:28 AM
Subject: Margo on Why 12 notes (long)

Greetings,
  
   For those of historical bent, or who have been stumped by the question of
why do we have 12 notes on the octave, I would like to cross-post a
beautifully written perspective from Margo Schulter. After reading it, I
said to myself, "I know this stuff, but had forgotten how it all went
together....."
   Hope this is of some value to list members.
Regards,
Ed Foote RPT

 From: "M. Schulter" <MSCHULTER@VALUE.NET>
          Hello, there, and here's an attempt at a _relatively_ short but
"medievalistically correct" answer to the "Why 12 notes on a keyboard"
question. I'll try to do it without subdivisions, maybe one of the
tests of "simplicity."
 

Q. Why are there 12 notes per octave on typical keyboards?

A. The form of the typical European keyboard instrument seems to have
evolved during the era from around 757, when the court of King Peppin
of the Franks received an organ as a gift from the Byzantine Empire,
to around the middle of the 14th century, when 12-note keyboards in
the famous arrangement with seven diatonic or "white" keys and five
accidental or "black keys" were becoming standard.

Here our focus is on the question: how did these keyboards come to
have their familiar 14th-century arrangement, still standard in the
12-key instruments of the early 21st century?

An equally important and revealing question, however, is "Why stop at
12 keys?" As other portions of this FAQ discuss from various
viewpoints, the best answer may be that a range of musicians over the
last six centuries or a bit more _haven't_ stopped at 12, but have
designed and often have actually built instruments with anything from
13 to 31 or more notes per octave.

Let's also note that while the history of the familiar 12-note
keyboard is largely an adventure in Western European musical styles
and tastes, various musical cultures have leaned toward larger tuning
systems. For example, some medieval Arabic or Persian traditions favor
a 17-note system of a kind in some resembling that advocated in early
15th-century Italy. Traditional Chinese theory recognizes sets of 53
or more notes per octave.

With this bit of perspective, let's return to medieval Europe around
the time of Charlemagne and his successors in the 9th century, a
period celebrated by one poet as a kind of "rebirth" of Roman
culture (scholars sometimes call this the Carolingean Renaissance).

A vital element in the cultural mix was music, with the treatise of
the revered philosopher Boethius (c. 480-524) the basis for the
learned study of this art. Boethius took a great interest in the
theory of consonance and dissonance, and also in the ancient Greek
authors and systems, especially those of Pythagoras (as recorded by
his followers) and Ptolemy.

Like many world musics, the best-known Western European music of this
time was based on a system of tuning in pure fifths and fourths, known
in the West as Pythagorean tuning after the Greek philosopher
Pythagoras. (Pythagoras, like many of the pre-Socratics, is known to
us mainly by repute and by reported quotations or teachings written
down by later authors). Scholars have suggested that the ancient
Greeks may have borrowed it from a Babylonian tradition.

While both sacred and secular music were practiced in 9th-10th century
Europe, and some writers such as Hucbald tell us a bit about popular
instruments such as lyres or harps, we know mainly about music for the
Church: both traditional chant, and a newly documented technique of
_organum_ or "organized" part-music involving the concord of different
notes sounding at the same time.

Medieval liturgical chant or plainsong uses a system of eight standard
notes: the seven diatonic or "white" keys on a familiar keyboard, plus
Bb. In other words, there are _two_ versions of the step Bb/B, and
both may occur in certain chants.

In the Pythagorean tuning described by Boethius, and followed as
standard practice, we can derive this usual set of eight notes for
chant as a chain of seven pure fifths or fourths:

                   Bb F C G D A E B

Early organs of this era seem often to have had these eight notes per
octave, although the term "keyboard" might be misleading: these
instruments had devices such as large sliders for opening or closing
the wind supply to a pipe, so that two or more players might be
needed, and the action was likely _slow_.

If we applied a layout like the modern ones, we might arrange the
notes like this, with the "black key" Bb set apart from the others:

                                         Bb
                   C D E F G A B C

However, we will recall, both Bb and B were regarded as regular forms
of the same scale step, so a layout with all eight notes on the same
row was common, and still in use in some instruments of the 14th
century:
                                         
                   C D E F G A Bb B C

In medieval Western Europe, as in many other world musics, fifths and
fourths were favorite consonances: Boethius described their concordant
effect, and during the period of around 850-1200, musicians developed
more and more complex styles contrasting these stable intervals with a
wide range of unstable ones having various degrees of concord or
discord. Pythagorean tuning made the stable fifths and fourths pure,
or ideally smooth and concordant, and produced an intriguing continuum
of tension among the other intervals.

By around 1200, the great composer Perotin and his colleagues were
writing pieces in the high Gothic style for three and four voices,
using not only the traditional eight notes of most chant but other
accidentals: Eb, F#, C#. These notes could also be added to an organ
by extending the chain of fifths in either direction, for example in
this ten-note chain:

                  Eb Bb F C G D A E B F# C#

At about this same epoch, there was apparently a major technological
breakthrough: at least some organs acquired agile keyboards of the
modern kind, which allowed them to play the flowing and often
ornamented melodic lines favored in the music of the time. A
13th-century poem, the _Roman de la Rose_, tells us that small or
portative organs could play either the supporting lower part or the
florid upper melody of the sophisticated motets then in fashion,
pieces artfully combining voices singing different texts.

Just how quickly and frequently some or all of the extra accidentals
became standard on the limber keyboards of the 13th century is
uncertain, but by 1325, the theorist Jacobus of Liege tells us that
their diatonic whole-steps or major seconds were "almost everywhere"
divided into two semitones. This comment become clearer if we look at
a possible keyboard layout around 1300, using the 11 notes which had
sometimes been in use for at least around a century:

                C# Eb F# Bb
            C D E F G A B C

Here the seven diatonic notes form an octave with five whole-tones
(C-D, D-E, F-G, G-A, A-B) and two semitones (E-F, B-C). Four of the
five whole-tones have added accidentals dividing them into semitones:
C-C#-D, D-Eb-E, F-F#-G, and A-Bb-B.

Given the special status of Bb as a "regular" note, it might also have
been placed in the same row as the diatonic notes, giving us an
arrangement of our eight "regular" notes plus three extra accidentals:

                C# Eb F#
             C D E F G A Bb B C

By around this same epoch of 1300, a new and compelling argument for
these extra keyboard accidentals was at hand: the preference for
"closest approach" at cadences or in other directed progressions where
an unstable sonority moved to a stable one.

The basic rule, as stated by various 14th-century writers, is that a
third expanding to a fifth, or a sixth to an octave, should be major;
a third contracting to a unison should be minor. If they are not so
naturally, then they should be altered by using accidentals. For
example, a typical "closest approach" cadence on D might take two
forms; here I use a notation showing middle C as "C4," with higher
numbers showing higher octaves:

    C#4 D4 C4 D4
    G#3 A3 G3 A3
    E3 D3 Eb3 D3

Either form features a major third between the lower two voices
expanding to a fifth, and a major sixth between the outer two voices
expanding to an octave. In the first solution, the two upper voices
each ascend by a semitone; in the second, the lower voice descends by
a semitone.

While the second form was available using the 11-note set known in
13th-century compositions, the first form called for a 12th note,
namely G#.

This first form was in fact much in demand, because in 14th-century
style a cadence with ascending semitones was usually considered more
conclusive than one with descending semitones, the latter form usually
signalling a kind of musical "halfway" point rather than a final
cadence.

Since pieces centered on the octave-type or mode of D-D were very
common, final cadences with the major third E-G# expanding to the
fifth D-A were routine in theory and practice.

Therefore, as a modern software developer might say, G# had found a
"compelling application" -- in this case, an application calling for a
modest hardware upgrade, the addition of a G# key.

Around 1325, the time Jacobus wrote about the semitones being divided
"almost everyone," this 12th note may have already been added on some
instruments. The earliest known European compositions for keyboard,
preserved in the Robertsbridge Codex with proposed dates anywhere from
1325 to 1365, calls for all 12 notes of such a keyboard, with a chain
of fifths very likely tuned like this, from Eb to G#:

                Eb Bb F C G D A E B F# C# G#

However, as we might say, the "user interface" wasn't quite yet
standardized. The scholar Mark Lindley shows how the 14th-century
Noordlanda organ had an arrangement with the eight "regular" notes
(including both B and Bb) on one row, and the complement of four
"extra" notes on another:

                C# Eb F# G#
             C D E F G A Bb B C

At Halberstadt in 1361, however, it appears that the 12-note organ
placed Bb in the row with the other accidentals, possibly with earlier
unrecorded precedents, and this quickly prevailed as the "standard"
arrangement:

                C# Eb F# G# Bb
             C D E F G A B C

Q. We know that there's no need to stop at 12, but why it is _one_
attractive size for a keyboard tuning?

A. Here there may be a quick answer and a more involved answer. Let's
take the quick one first.

In his encyclopedic treatise of 1325, Jacobus of Liege mentioned that
keyboards "almost everywhere" divided diatonic whole-tones into two
semitones by extra accidentals. With a 12-note instrument, as we can
see on either the Noordlanda keyboard or the more familiar Halberstadt
keyboard, _every_ whole-tone is divided into two semitones, including
G-A (by the new 12th note G#). In all we have five such whole-tones,
and five accidentals (counting Bb and the four "extra" ones) to do
this dividing.

There's a certain cozy symmetry in this arrangement, not to mention
that a Pythagorean chain from Eb to G# nicely covers the accidentals
typically used in the great preponderance of 14th-century pieces for
ensembles or keyboards, including the music of composers such as
Guillaume de Machaut (1300-1377) and Francesco Landini (1325-1397).

The more involved answer looks at this feeling of "coziness" or
"balance" more closely, and brings into the play an important concept
of modern theorist Ervin Wilson: the idea of a Moment of Symmetry
(MOS).

Such an "MOS" occurs when a tuning system has only two sizes of
_adjacent_ intervals, that is, intervals between the pairs of notes
immediately adjacent to each other.

If we look at our 12-note Pythagorean tuning with a chain of fifths
from Eb to G# -- we can call this an "Eb-G#" tuning for short -- we
find that there are in fact only two such intervals sizes, formed by
two varieties of semitones known as "diatonic" and "chromatic," and
here marked as "D" and "C," whose distinct sizes we're about to
consider:

       C D D C D C D C D D C D
     C - C# - D - Eb - E - F - F# - G - G# - A - Bb - B - C

In Pythagorean tuning, as it happens, the diatonic semitones are
_smaller_ than the chromatic semitones. To see why they differ in
size, we might look again at our chain of pure fifths for this tuning:

                            C = 7 fifths up
                        |---------------------|
                Eb Bb F C G D A E B F# C# G#
                        |--------------|
                          D = 5 fifths down

A diatonic semitone such as E-F is formed from a chain of _five_
fifths; if we start at the lower note of this interval E, we must move
five fifths _down_ the chain to reach the upper note F. Note that this
relationship also holds for B-C, D-Eb, A-Bb, F#-G, C#-D, F#-G, and
G#-A. It is semitones of this kind which are the usual melodic
semitones of medieval European music, for example in our sample
14th-century cadences above involving accidental steps (G#-A and C#-D,
or Eb-D).

Chromatic semitones such as F-F#, however, are formed from chains of
seven fifths _up_. Other chromatic semitones are Bb-B, Eb-E, C-C#, and
G-G#, each illustrating this same relationship on the chain. The use
of these intervals as direct melodic steps is rather unusual in this
era, but Marchettus of Padua and some other Italian composers of the
14th century do it boldly and beautifully.

How large is each of these semitones? One way to compare their size
uses the modern yardstick of _cents_, with a pure octave divided into
1200 equal parts or cents. Keeping the math simple, we can take the
size for a pure fifth (a ratio of 3:2) as a rounded 702 cents, and of
a pure fourth (at 4:3) as a rounded 498 cents. These two intervals add
up to a pure 2:1 octave, and their sizes add up to 1200 cents.

A diatonic semitone such as E-F is five fifths down; another way of
looking at this is to say that it's five fourths up, starting again at
the lower note E and moving to the upper note F:

                    498 498 498 498 498
                 E3 - A3 - D4 - G4 - C5 - F5

Adding up these five fourths, we get an interval of (498 x 5) cents,
or 2490 cents. Actually, in moving up five fourths, we've moved up a
semitone plus two extra octaves (E3-F5), as the octave numbers for the
notes in our chain show. However, by now moving down two octaves or
2400 cents from F5, we arrive at the upper note of our desired
diatonic semitone E3-F3. This interval has a size of (2490 - 2400)
cents, or 90 cents.

For a chromatic semitone, let's say F-F#, we similarly move up by
seven fifths of 702 cents each, and then down by four octaves:

             702 702 702 702 702 702 702
          F3 - C4 - G4 - D5 - A5 - E6 - B6 - F#7

Our seven fifths up (F3-F#7) give us an interval of (702 x 7) cents,
or 4914 cents; moving back down four octaves to the upper note of our
desired chromatic semitone F3-F#3, we have a size of (4914 - 4800) or
114 cents.

Thus our 12-note Pythagorean keyboard gives us an MOS with two and
only two sizes of adjacent intervals: diatonic semitones at a rounded
90 cents, and chromatic semitones at a rounded 114 cents. A diatonic
plus a chromatic semitone forms a regular whole-tone (e.g. E-F# from
E-F plus F-F#) at around 204 cents:

       C D D C D C D C D D C D
     C - C# - D - Eb - E - F - F# - G - G# - A - Bb - B - C
      114 90 90 114 90 114 90 114 90 90 114 90

There is an elegant poise and balance here which makes 12 an
attractive number not only in a 14th-century Pythagorean tuning, but
in various other historical European tuning systems fitting various
eras and styles.

However, one person's ideal "Moment of Symmetry" can be another
person's overworn rut.

By the earlier 15th century, only decades after the Halberstadt
12-note design had won out, European theorists were proposing tunings
and keyboards based on the next Pythagorean MOS: 17 notes (also found
in medieval Arabic and Persian systems). Other such larger MOS systems
feature 29, 41, or 53 notes -- Chinese theorists, interestingly, being
aware of a special property of 53.

Other approaches to tuning can produce different MOS sizes: in early
modern Europe of the 16th and 17th centuries, for example, the
prevailing meantone temperaments for keyboards offered such sizes at
12, 19, or 31 notes, and instruments of all three sizes were designed
and built, and music written taking advantage of the larger systems.

(It's worth noting, as the earlier medieval instruments with from 8 to
11 notes show, that there's no law requiring that a keyboard size must
match some MOS: for example, instruments of 13-16 notes were quite
common in 15th-17th century Europe.)

In sum, for 14th-century European musicians and organ-builders, 12
notes was an attractive point of repose; and its symmetrical
qualities, as well as familiar keyboard ergonomics, still have their
appeal.

However, as musicians have recognized at various times and places in
the six centuries and a bit more since, 12 is not the _only_ place to
stop, and there are enticing if not so widely recognized reasons to
explore larger tunings and instruments.

Most respectfully,

Margo Schulter

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EoL URL (ric)

----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Moody <remoody@midstatesd.net>
To: Pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 7:54 PM
Subject: EoL URL


For the moment here is a temporary url for EoL. This will be updated
as each "edition" of EoL goes out. For those with high email volume,
or
or problems with email attachments this might be an answer to
subscribing to yet another email publication. If anyone has problems
with this URL please email me directly. remoody@midstatesd.net

URL for EoL

http://ric2nr.tripod.com/eolindex.html/

http://ric2nr.tripod.com/eolindex.html/

This is NOT a public site. In other words I doubt if search engines
can pick up on this extension. (unless they have picked it from this
post) So the URL must be pasted exactly, no spaces before and will
not work without the final slash. It may though be clickable in most
mail software so try that first.

There has been some concern that EoL is too exclusive, ie, a lot of
piano related posts are not included. This is because the target
audience is the busy professional wanting to keep up with late
developments and/or pertinant information. Thus "basic" information
that is readily found in any of the excellent books, Reblitz or Braid
White for only two of many) or in most of the comprehensive technical
manuals, (Steinway, Kawai, Young Chang) and the PTG publications---all
of this information is much better catalogued and with pictures and
more readily available than a few files on the www or a hard drive.
On top of that sometimes something simply gets overlooked, or lost
even. Which is the need for editorS . Hint, hint.

WANTED Someone with web page experience to help me set up an index on that page.

---ric

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